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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 20, 2011 21:01:30 GMT -5
I've held discussion meetings with PR in private after several members here asked me to escalate the issue with the Detroit Red Wings.
I am not contesting the fact that he build himself a solid club through trades and signings, but the Red Wings admitted to knowing he was over the cap for the duration of the season and his excuse was stating that other teams were too, despite no issues with any other team being brought forward by any other member, nor our Salary Cap Mod.
A punishment clause has been discussed by the members, but one thing we can all agree on is that a punishment is needed, though what that punishment will be no one can seem to figure out.
Now, Wings has already had two strikes against his account, and had several people calling for his head from his constant annoying/childish/ignorant (in the slang definition of the word) comments in which Wings claims is used to create activity when things are slow.
It is absolutely shocking to me that this is the same member that once saved ManNHL from being shut down due to a proboards collapse a few years ago. How his personality has progressed to what he is now is absolutely beyond me. But I digress.
The PR and I have come up with the above options.
Option 1. Third Strike - Ban
As Detroit has already had two strikes, admitting he abused the salary cap is strike number three, compounded with his behavior, and will no longer be a part of this site, despite his dedication to his team.
Option 2. 3 Protects - Lose a Player
Detroit will be able to protect three players on his entire roster, PR will have access to the most recent stats of his entire team, and one player will be selected by the PR ONLY to become an immediate free agent.
Option 3. Lose All Draft Picks
While PR feels this is not punishment enough, this was one of the league's prefered method in dealing with broken rules. As former Blues experienced with his trade retract, Red Wings would lose all draft picks, though which picks are available for him to lose based on his trade is another question entirely (as I haven't looked at our draft list compilation recently).
The reason why the first one is so serious is due to the fact that he is a significant competitor for a Stanley Cup, and as we stated before, we have a cash reward for our winners. Detroit has cheated with an over-the-cap roster for the duration of the season and put himself in a position to CHEAT and WIN MONEY.
Detroit has officially made a mochery of this league, and with me actually putting money on the table out of respect to all of you, I would expect respect from all members of this site to obey the rules we set forth. You didn't have to pay anything to participate in this league, and yet you have the chance to actually win money. Breaking rules here is a serious offense to not only myself and PR, but to the ManNHL community we have created for all of you to enjoy.
VOTES WILL NOT BE MADE PUBLIC UNTIL AFTER THE POLL HAS CLOSED. REGARDLESS OF AMOUNT OF VOTES, THIS POLL WILL CLOSE ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT.
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 5:56:59 GMT -5
Hello.
My name is Detroit Red Wings.
This is complete BS.
1) Given the chance to save this league again, I would, just to make that clear. I absolutely love how you guys run it, and by all means is the best league out there IMO.
2) I understand i was over the cap, but i was trying to get under without getting noticed (with a deal) until which i got publicly scrutinized.
3) I understand i should be punished, but these options are OUTRAGEOUS.
a) I only act the way i do because its fun and entertaining. Why must this league be so uptight when we really only do have around 15 SOLID Gms that are active...
b) Banning me is honestly not the way to go...
- Some GMs are complete and utter idiots in regards to not only ManNHL, but how the respond...
---Ill admit, my actions are purpose and can be changed, but the actions of others are not (if you know what i mean)
How can you alledge me of diminishing the league's respect when GMs repect just the same.
This is complete BS.
- "OldBruins"
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 6:00:56 GMT -5
And to add,
There were teams playing against the cap in the begining of the season, so, hypothetically, it should be disciplined the same...
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 21, 2011 9:08:19 GMT -5
And to add, There were teams playing against the cap in the begining of the season, so, hypothetically, it should be disciplined the same... The cap was the straw that broke the camels back. If you were any other GM, you would have been banned a while ago. You realistically have about 5 strikes, but we have been putting off giving you the full boot because we like the bullshit you contribute, despite the fact that it clearly makes the league a joke. So to say we are too uptight is a pretty odd thing to say. This punishment poll is actually a final plea really to the league to keep you. As I said, you have WELL over 3 strikes. I would prefer you get the hint and stop breaking the rules (over and fucking over again, despite your strikes). So given all of the above, and the fact you SHOULD have been pulled off the site from strikes weeks ago, I can only conclude we're being pretty fucking fair.  I sincerely hope the league votes to keep you here. I will be. But its a people's league. And the people have final say. |
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 11:17:33 GMT -5
Fair enough (pun intended)
Should i not have a word before people vote though?
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 21, 2011 11:32:06 GMT -5
You already did above, and nothing is stopping you from continuing to have words. AND you also made your case several times in various threads, including explaining why you went over cap intentionally and all that. BUt as I said, you are welcome to say whatever you want here.
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Post by XX - Former Hawks - XX on Jun 21, 2011 11:58:00 GMT -5
Hello. My name is Detroit Red Wings. This is complete BS. 1) Given the chance to save this league again, I would, just to make that clear. I absolutely love how you guys run it, and by all means is the best league out there IMO. 2) I understand i was over the cap, but i was trying to get under without getting noticed (with a deal) until which i got publicly scrutinized. 3) I understand i should be punished, but these options are OUTRAGEOUS. a) I only act the way i do because its fun and entertaining. Why must this league be so uptight when we really only do have around 15 SOLID Gms that are active... b) Banning me is honestly not the way to go... - Some GMs are complete and utter idiots in regards to not only ManNHL, but how the respond... ---Ill admit, my actions are purpose and can be changed, but the actions of others are not (if you know what i mean) How can you alledge me of diminishing the league's respect when GMs repect just the same. This is complete BS. - "OldBruins" 1) That's great you saved the league before but that doesn't entitle you to anything. Same thing goes for everyone in this league. 2) You were over the cap for nearly a month. 3) How are these options outrageous? These are called "punishments" and not little stings. a) It's fun and entertaining for you but it may not be for others. b) Idiots? You're not very bright yourself since you were warned many times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 15:22:01 GMT -5
Personally, I agree with Hawks, especially on #1. It sorta pissed me off that he brought that into this, almost like an excuse. That was great, and we all thank you for it.
BUT, I can't save someone's life, and then turn around, and kill someone and tell the police: "Don't worry about it, I saved that guys life, so you guys owe me one".
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes on Jun 21, 2011 15:28:25 GMT -5
I like the loses a player tbh, but the only problem I see with it is it's hurting the team. Let's say he just leaves two days after that, you just ended up hurting the team, you didn't really punish the GM.
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 15:31:13 GMT -5
@ Oilers and Hawks:
Are you kidding me? I only said that because Leafs acknowledged it. So dont say i was putting that up for a lame excuse.
@ Canes
I wouldnt leave... That is all.
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 15:35:33 GMT -5
It is absolutely shocking to me that this is the same member that once saved ManNHL from being shut down due to a proboards collapse a few years ago. How his personality has progressed to what he is now is absolutely beyond me. But I digress. For those who cant fucking read... |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 21, 2011 15:38:34 GMT -5
I like the loses a player tbh, but the only problem I see with it is it's hurting the team. Let's say he just leaves two days after that, you just ended up hurting the team, you didn't really punish the GM. Technically having a team over the cap has hurt OTHER teams, so hurting his team to being compliant, which it would have had to have been in the first place, is irrelevant. |
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Post by XX - Former Hawks - XX on Jun 21, 2011 15:49:55 GMT -5
It is absolutely shocking to me that this is the same member that once saved ManNHL from being shut down due to a proboards collapse a few years ago. How his personality has progressed to what he is now is absolutely beyond me. But I digress. For those who cant fucking read... We're not criticizing you for your one post. We found that you've been using that as an excuse ever since you've joined this league. Don't get angry at us for things you've done. It's not our problem you've caused this disturbance. I'm merely stating an "opinion" like you have done so in this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 15:59:36 GMT -5
Who cares if Leafs said anything about it, to me it just seems that you are using it as protection, your acting like your the only one who would be able to save the league
@leafs, Is that a proper solution then? I mean, him losing a player to get under the cap like everyone else isn't strict. I mean losing a player seems like a proper punishment at first, but it gets him to where teams already are: under the cap.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 21, 2011 16:17:17 GMT -5
It was the main suggestion by PR
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 16:21:42 GMT -5
I see
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jun 21, 2011 18:21:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't have a problem with Wings. First it was flames.. Now wings? I mean who's next ??
but yeah Wings you should tone it down with the cuss words but some of the members on here deserve It. They just want some drama , that's why I've stopped taking part in threads and not taking a shot at leafs or PR but If you guys checked the rosters like you should of cap wouldn't be a issue in this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2011 18:35:10 GMT -5
This has nothing about cussing and all that.
It's that fact that he knowingly went over the cap, and went about half the season with it like that. Ultimately he was cheating. Not to mention he has 2 other strikes and as Mike said, 2 or 3 that him and Justin let him get away with.
I have nothing against Wings other than his random obnoxiousness. The fact is though, he was over the cap knowingly for half the season. If Sabres notified him that he was, and Wings had no clue, then I'd say whatever, but he knowingly did it, and thats what makes this worse IMO
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 21, 2011 18:39:37 GMT -5
I honestly don't have a problem with Wings. First it was flames.. Now wings? I mean who's next ?? but yeah Wings you should tone it down with the cuss words but some of the members on here deserve It. They just want some drama , that's why I've stopped taking part in threads and not taking a shot at leafs or PR but If you guys checked the rosters like you should of cap wouldn't be a issue in this. I think, and this is not just over this comment, but you've always kind of been a tad of an extremist in defending people. PR and I have always been open to people poking at us, hell we do it to each other all the time, this has nothing to do with things like that and quite honestly, I think it's a tad childish on your behalf to suggest you can't comment and participate in discussions because you're afraid of stepping on toes. This entire site believes in freedom of speech, but that does NOT include just using verbal diarrhea for the sake of being a dink. As for the cap, it is YOUR responsibility to be cap compliant. Admitting you didn't care you were over the cap is where I draw the line for a team doing so for the duration of a season. This has nothing to do with having someone to be a villain on this site - we all know PR is ALWAYS the villain, just ask Villain Boy. |
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 21, 2011 18:41:08 GMT -5
For those who cant fucking read... We're not criticizing you for your one post. We found that you've been using that as an excuse ever since you've joined this league. Don't get angry at us for things you've done. It's not our problem you've caused this disturbance. I'm merely stating an "opinion" like you have done so in this thread. WTF? Are you shitting me? Ive used it at the beginning of the ManNHL, when it first opened just to say who i am. Ive NEVER used it as an excuse. EVER. Find me one time, because right now you sound like an absolute moron. |
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I sincerely hope the league votes to keep you here. I will be. But its a people's league. And the people have final say.
