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Post by Dallas Stars on Aug 24, 2012 8:38:29 GMT -5
Make a deeper BAP mode. that's all I want before I'd buy another NHL game. They made some nice improvements this year but BAP has been very similar since 09... Add in interviews, tryouts, and instead of doing the whole year in CHL, just have a system similar to NBA 2K where they make our play a few games like 5 games and your draft position depends on how you play in these games. Also have teams who are interested in you, make you do workouts and drills and perform interviews with them. Make the commentators talk about you from time to time depending on your BAP career so far or how the expectation are high when you got drafted high e.t.c. The game next year will have the same improvements included in the game this year so all they really need to do is make BAP much deeper for it to be a complete game.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 24, 2012 11:08:10 GMT -5
I liked playing a year in the CHL, actually, but I can see where people would not. So making it an option would be a good idea.
I hate the reputation stuff in BAGM. Offer a trade, lose rep. Reject a STUPID trade, lose rep. Don't do anything with trades, lose rep. It's terrible. Drop the rep system.
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Post by Dallas Stars on Aug 24, 2012 15:24:26 GMT -5
yeah I played two years in the CHL so it got boring real quick. Having an option would be better instead of skipping the draft altogether
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Aug 24, 2012 15:40:13 GMT -5
I dont know if it was already mentioned but the NHL13 demo is out. Skating engine makes it much more realistic as it affects passes (hitting your skate, ect) and hits too. The common glitch goal seems to be patched very well as well. Also goaltenders are real now; they slide from side to side and can be put out of position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 18:18:27 GMT -5
@dallas- Judging by the way things are going, BAP should be due for another big revamping come NHL 14. Also if i remember correctly, you do have the choice of if you want to play in the CHL, pick a team, or go to the draft where you play the memorial cup (4 games) and then get drafted.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 24, 2012 19:13:02 GMT -5
Everything is due for a damn revamping. Hence my argument you release a new game every 2 years. Better games!
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Post by Anaheim Ducks on Aug 24, 2012 19:27:55 GMT -5
Everything is due for a damn revamping. Hence my argument you release a new game every 2 years. Better games! From EA's perspective there's no reason to put out games every year - they make big enough changes to make the gameplay feel somewhat different and that is enough for people (myself included). Plus, $60 for a game that you play for an entire year really isnt that expensive. Also - the demo REALLY does feel like a new game; the speeds/acceleration makes a HUGE difference and so does the goaltending. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 19:28:54 GMT -5
Not really.... presentation just got done, skating just got done, goalies just got done, BAGM got done, and minor tweaks to EASHL were done and is great anyway.
You keep saying things are wrong, but your only argument is that "everything is due" and the fact that the KHL isn't in the game.
In all likely hood, you just suck at it, and butt hurt they took away the glitch goals
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 26, 2012 0:10:34 GMT -5
Sharks, I am going to stop addressing you in this thread because you are clearly a complete legit-moron, since you keep saying I want the KHL in the game. I don't want the KHL in the game. I want better games.
And as I said a thousand fucking times, of COURSE EA isn;t going to change it when you dinks keep buying the SAME GAME every year just because EA tells you its different.
The skating is a moderate-sized tweak. Skating backwards is great. But I can STILL score 7/10 times doing the same cheap ass move (skating straight in then deking quickly to the left and shooting. You can;t tell me the game improved that much when you can keep scoring the same shitty goal every damn year - even with "BRAND NEW SKATING MECHANICS!!!
It's just bullshit
About half the cut scenes seem redone - so that's kinda good. Usually they do none.
The goalie movement doesn't look that much different to me.
The player skins look a sliver better - yay.
But if you asked me if I would even remotely consider paying $60 for DLC that modified my NHL 12 game to have players skate backwards, I would ask you if you were fucking nuts. If you think about 6 hours of their development time (and about 1M of their marketing dollars) is worth $60 of your money, awesome. Mommy and daddy are probably still buying the games for you. If not, line up like the rest of the mindless cattle who will be purchasing this on Sep. 11, tell yourself it's a BRAND NEW game, then wonder in a month why you grew tired of it so fast. The answer is you have been playing it for 5 years.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Aug 26, 2012 0:56:52 GMT -5
let me introduce you to Bob. Bob stayed with NHL 10 and didn't get NHL 11 or NHL 12 so then he finally decided to get NHL 13. He loved the game because it was new and fresh with many new features. What Bob experienced with NHL 13 is what I also want to experience when I buy an EA NHL game. It's too much to ask but It would be nice
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 26, 2012 2:13:19 GMT -5
I am Bob.
Really, though, when you get the games every second year or more, they are great. Thats why I skipped 11. I will get probably get 14 if something good comes along.
Does anyone know if they scrap the Legends thing for NHL 13?
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Post by Dallas Stars on Aug 26, 2012 9:57:21 GMT -5
Yeah I didn't buy a game since NHL 09 untill NHL 12 came out. But I borrowed all the other NHL's so it didn't feel as fresh. Although the difference in 09 to 11 is huge. From 11 to 12 though, it felt very similar. This year it feels different because of the skating engine but since I don't play online, the offline are all relatively the same. The NHL series prolly has the lowest emphasis on player models though. Some of the faces look alike but others look like they've been worked on for 5 minutes. The presentation has been the same for so many years now. I didn't notice a big difference in presentation at all. Changing a couple of cut scenes doesn't really mean anything. When they did the presentation I expected something bigger like maybe a panel to actually analyze the game after each period or having interviews with coaches e.t.c. And the Stanley Cup presentation is once again the same thing for like the 7th straight year... Maybe let us skate around with the cup like 2K? It's the little details which make a game a great experience. I'm gonna wait untill NHL 14 this year although I'd understand why people would buy the game this year due to the GM Connected. That mode to me is worth the 60 bucks but since I don't have online most of the time it doesn't appeal to me much.
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Post by Carolina Hurricanes on Aug 26, 2012 13:02:21 GMT -5
The reason Pride got added was because UFC bought them.... It's different then two Rival leagues AGAIN though, PR never said that they should or even they could add the KHL to the EA franchise, just that it would be a major change that could attract enough buzz to justify paying full price. We are getting a bit off-topic with a non-issue. lol. Try playing NHL 12 and then play NHL 10. Tell me they are the same game. They're completely different, the whole feel to the game has changed. NHL 13 is quite good. The difference between 10 and 12 should be completely different, hell the whole point of this is that the difference between any 2 games (NHL 10 & NHL 11 for example) should be just as if not have more of a difference than NHL 10 & NHL 12 had if they are charging $60 for it. If the only differences are the ones noted by San Jose then they should not be able to charge $60, they should charge only $30-$40. Then maybe every 2nd or 3rd year add or change something drastically and then charge the full $60. Minor (or even major) tweaks to graphics or added cutscenes should never justify a $60 price tag. What if they re-made Super Mario Bros. 3 for the SNES or Wii or whatever and all they did was added cut scenes? Would that be worth another $60? Hell, just look at the releases of Megaman collections or Final Fantasy Chronicles. Each were re-releases of older games with improves graphics and game play options but the difference was they had multiple games and they released them multiple years in the future after the system they were originally on was no longer selling the games. This in opinion is worth full price: 2+ games with minor changes that are not released or available anymore (that fans have asked for multiple times). NHL 08, 09, 10, 11, & 12 are available everywhere for as low as $2 a copy and they are essentially the same game. To be honest though, if they are making a fortune on it I don't see a reason for them to change, they still should but why bother? Not reading all your essay but exactly, there is a huge difference. Stop complaining. I also don't understand the KHL point, okay so you're saying itd be a huge change, but you're not saying to do it? Doesn't make sense. You know what else would be a huge change, making it so that the players aren't wearing any equipment and are still skating up and down the ice, but don't do it. |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 26, 2012 20:29:38 GMT -5
Makes sense - don't read anything someone says, then try to refute it by asking me questions I answered in the "essay". Here are some examples from shit that 2K did YEARS ago.
- Classic teams - 2K had at least 20
- Quicker loading and sim speeds (if 2K can do it, EA can)
- un-ending franchise modes
- new cut scenes every damned year! ESPECIALLY Cup celebrations
- While you are at it, why not let the player control their players when skating around the ice with the Cup? (Can you do that now with your BAP)
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Post by Dallas Stars on Aug 26, 2012 20:35:43 GMT -5
yeah NHL 2k10 had a Stanley Cup celebration where you pick up the cup and go around the rink and control all the players and who you want to hand it off to. It should be something sweet like that especially because winning the cup is the pinnacle you've been working so hard for. Reward us with some control and something unique instead of just having the same cutscene from previous titles
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Post by Boston Bruins on Aug 26, 2012 20:45:37 GMT -5
AGAIN though, PR never said that they should or even they could add the KHL to the EA franchise, just that it would be a major change that could attract enough buzz to justify paying full price. We are getting a bit off-topic with a non-issue. lol. The difference between 10 and 12 should be completely different, hell the whole point of this is that the difference between any 2 games (NHL 10 & NHL 11 for example) should be just as if not have more of a difference than NHL 10 & NHL 12 had if they are charging $60 for it. If the only differences are the ones noted by San Jose then they should not be able to charge $60, they should charge only $30-$40. Then maybe every 2nd or 3rd year add or change something drastically and then charge the full $60. Minor (or even major) tweaks to graphics or added cutscenes should never justify a $60 price tag. What if they re-made Super Mario Bros. 3 for the SNES or Wii or whatever and all they did was added cut scenes? Would that be worth another $60? Hell, just look at the releases of Megaman collections or Final Fantasy Chronicles. Each were re-releases of older games with improves graphics and game play options but the difference was they had multiple games and they released them multiple years in the future after the system they were originally on was no longer selling the games. This in opinion is worth full price: 2+ games with minor changes that are not released or available anymore (that fans have asked for multiple times). NHL 08, 09, 10, 11, & 12 are available everywhere for as low as $2 a copy and they are essentially the same game. To be honest though, if they are making a fortune on it I don't see a reason for them to change, they still should but why bother? Not reading all your essay but exactly, there is a huge difference. Stop complaining. I also don't understand the KHL point, okay so you're saying itd be a huge change, but you're not saying to do it? Doesn't make sense. You know what else would be a huge change, making it so that the players aren't wearing any equipment and are still skating up and down the ice, but don't do it. seriously people, PR was just making an example with the KHL thing, it doesn't matter for this thread. Feel free to substitute KHL for anything else like "Be A CHL GM" or "the Olympics" or "the World Juniors" or even just expand BeAGM so you can control all the finances like ticket prices and TV contract. Whatever it doesn't matter. If they add in a massive feature like they did when they added the CHL then I can understand spending 60 bucks every time but without those additions all they did was slightly tweak a few things, hardly worth it IMO. Hell they continuously fail to fix the major issues like freezing and lag that were in the PS3 version of NHL 12 & the NHL 13 demo. Now I'm not saying that people shouldn't buy the game, do whatever you want, but it isn't wrong for some people to want more out of a game they spent $60 on. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Aug 26, 2012 20:49:30 GMT -5
Bring back the fucking manager's lounge in NHL 05!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 22:43:16 GMT -5
What? Skating isn't a "minor tweak" it's COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I haven't found a glitch goal yet. Play the Demo and you will see.
Also, if improving the skating and essentially removing glitch goals means we get the same cup celebration... cool
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Post by Personnel Representative on Aug 26, 2012 22:58:54 GMT -5
Does no one ever read what I say? I just said I can score the same cheap ass "glitch goal" 7 out of 10 tries in the demo. How does that lead to "play the demo and you will seee" and "removing glitch goals"
You can skate backwards. It's a medium sized tweak. It did not affect my experience in the game that much.
And your "Also, if improving the skating and essentially removing glitch goals means we get the same cup celebration... cool " comment - YOU PAY $60 a fucking year!!! HOW ARE YOU COOL WITH THAT??? This is why I think you are being stupid here. You think its acceptable, "COOL" even, that they don't change easy-to-change shit. They are selling you recycled shit. You pay the price of a WHOLE NEW game. Any other game you buy new for $60 is a new game, Halo, Uncharted, God of War , etc. NEW GAME. When they are recycled stuff with cool new features (God of War Origin Collection, Metal Gear Solid Collection), these companies do NOT charge 60 fucking dollars. It's recycled code with minor tweaks, and is sold at much lower prices.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Aug 27, 2012 0:48:48 GMT -5
I recommend the Uncharted series btw I own the series it's really fun
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