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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 1:27:13 GMT -5
I started a new one cause I am that cool.
I didn't realize this cause my internet was dead, but Jack Kevorkian died last Friday.
What are people's thoughts on him, and particularly, doctor-assisted suicide in cases of consenting, terminally ill adults?
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Post by xx - Former Blues-xx on Jun 10, 2011 1:35:04 GMT -5
i think its right, because the patient would probably be in a world of pain, and being terminally ill means that the disease is incurable, so with the patient's permission, or their family's permission, it should be okay.
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 10, 2011 5:14:55 GMT -5
I started a new one cause I am that cool. I didn't realize this cause my internet was dead, but Jack Kevorkian died last Friday. What are people's thoughts on him, and particularly, doctor-assisted suicide in cases of consenting, terminally ill adults? Euthanasia Personally, I think it's justifiable. I'm to tired to write because I've done a paper on this, but it's like putting down a dog when he is terminally I'll or injured. Though the dog can live for another couple weeks or so, as owners, we have a certain obligation to take it out of their misery; even if it means death. |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 8:37:10 GMT -5
Though I agree with the above posts, something to consider that makes things more complex here is insurance. Dog's are not insured, whereas most people have some form of life insurance. Leaving it up to someones family and not the individual themselves can get very complicated. Euthanasia is a broad term, that's why I avoided it in my initial post/question.I'm talking specifically about a doctor having the right or ability to help someone end their own life. Or the right of people have have access to a doctor for Euthanasia. A person who can expertly and painlessly (and cleanly) end their lives. We know Euthanasia takes place in lots of forms, but here I am more interested in with this specific post is the doctor-assisted aspect, than things like someone's mother putting a gun to their head while they sleep. For now. Some say a doctor's job is to cure, others say its to provide the best medical options to the patient. Where, if at all, does euthanasia fit into a doctor's world?  |
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins on Jun 10, 2011 16:00:36 GMT -5
I know for a fact he killed somebody with the same thing I have. I have lived with this for over 20 years now with this. Somepeople are just drama queens. I do support it some degree, but there does need to be some type of regulation. I have seen some of Canada's top specialist with what I have say I have the worst case they have ever seen, so to think he killed somebody with what I have just makes me sick. Sometimes these are just mental things that somebody can get over with alittle help. I understand if it is a terminal illness, but just becuase somebody is basically suicidal is not right. Somebody doing this is also waiving there families right to a death benifit and life insurance.
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Post by xx - former Devils GM - xx on Jun 10, 2011 16:04:02 GMT -5
I agree with much that has been said and I don't really want to reiterate it all.
What I will say is that I would certainly not want to live like a vegetable and not be able to do common things like wipe my ass or even sit up straight. It may be easy to say that when I'm healthy and young, but no one should be forced to live like that which is what you would be doing if you did not let doctor assisted suicide occur.
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 10, 2011 17:39:26 GMT -5
Even so, a doctor should be deemed responsible for by only physical, but to a certain extent, mental ad well.
Justifying euthanasia would mean justifying the use of doctors in the process. Really it's no difference.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 19:51:05 GMT -5
Justifying euthanasia would mean justifying the use of doctors in the process. Really it's no difference. There is a huge difference between the government saying its ok for my wife of 50 years to help me commit suicide and a doctor i have met for an hour to help me commit suicide. BIG difference. |
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Post by XX - Former Wings - XX on Jun 10, 2011 20:10:37 GMT -5
Justifying euthanasia would mean justifying the use of doctors in the process. Really it's no difference. There is a huge difference between the government saying its ok for my wife of 50 years to help me commit suicide and a doctor i have met for an hour to help me commit suicide. BIG difference. Let's get thing straight here. If you euthanasia was justified as a legitimate practice, then people are obligated to ful fill exploration of any possible option. Thus, it really does t matter if it's a doctor or not; it's patients choice... |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 10, 2011 20:22:22 GMT -5
I think quality of life is certainly what dictates right and wrong on this situation.
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Post by xx - former Devils GM - xx on Jun 10, 2011 20:36:32 GMT -5
God will take you when he deems that it's time.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 10, 2011 20:47:34 GMT -5
God will take you when he deems that it's time. Completely disagree. I don't necessarily believe there is a God, but I do believe in cause and effect. I'd like to hope that there is something after life, but I don't believe the world and all the life upon it is governed by a mystical being. I completely agree with everyone having the right to their own beliefs, but I also completely disagree with the government of Church. I don't believe people are required to "pay" a church in order to have a belief. I believe church is an over glorified self-help book, but I do think the morals developed within the works of religion are helpful to people who do not become extremists. I also don't believe things happen for a reason. I don't believe in people's glorification over their own fables: "we met in a bar, how odd is that? Both of us in the same place just happened to be there, just happened to be sitting there." This wasn't fate, this was a decision. The fact is, I could smash my computer and change everything right now if I chose to. I don't believe anything is governing me to do one thing and not another. That choice is left up to me. Quality of life is absolutely the biggest part of this entire discussion, and religion does not play a factor. Anyone that allows a religious belief to interfere with this important decision is an extremist and does not have the strength to take on the responsibility of being human and making a decision. The person that agrees to die, or their loved one believes they are better to be put to sleep (for lack of a better term), is absolutely solely based on the quality of life. We aren't talking about the doctors who abuse their privileges and just go around killing people. We're talking about the quality of life that remains for someone in a terminally ill or inoperable and thus immediate eventual death or comatose and never to awaken state. This goes hand in hand with abortion. It's about quality of life. If the fetus can survive (25 weeks is a must for it to be able to survive outside the womb) then I would consider it a life worth saving (not even remotely connecting the circumstances that go along with this decision). If it cannot survive on its own, the quality of life is not there, and people will make their own choices (not the choice of divine intervention) to do as morality so chooses. Again, I'm not talking about running around and killing fetuses by abortion and providing a morphine drip for the elderly. I'm absolutely talking about loved ones and specialists making humanistic decisions based on the issue at hand from the quality of life. To live and die is of life. To decide and have reason is human. |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 21:25:11 GMT -5
Once upon a time there was a man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. The report said that the whole town should evacuate immediately. But the man said, "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." But the waters began to rise. A man in a rowing boat came along and he shouted. 'Hey! Hey you! You up there. The town is flooding. I can take you to safety.' But the man shouted back: "I'm religious, I pray. God loves me. God will save me." A helicopter came hovering overhead. A guy with a megaphone shouted. 'Hey! You there! The town is fully flooded. Let me drop down a ladder and I will help you to safety.' But the men shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God would take him to safety. The man then drownned. When he got to the pearly gates of St Peter, he demanded an audience with God. 'Lord,' he said, 'I'm a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?' God said, 'I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowing boat. What on earth are you doing here?'
How do we know people like Kevorkian aren't sent from God to relieve suffering?
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Post by xx - former Devils GM - xx on Jun 10, 2011 21:45:02 GMT -5
Leafs I appreciate the lengthy response but I was being sarcastic!
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 21:57:06 GMT -5
Leafs I appreciate the lengthy response but I was being sarcastic! LOL. I didn't even notice that was you. I thought it was Vancouver. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 10, 2011 22:04:33 GMT -5
Leafs I appreciate the lengthy response but I was being sarcastic! lol God dammit. Wasted a perfectly good speech. |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jun 10, 2011 23:59:42 GMT -5
Leafs I appreciate the lengthy response but I was being sarcastic! lol God dammit. Wasted a perfectly good speech. As did I dude, as did I. We both made good points tho, so in the end, everyone wins. |
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Post by xx - former Devils GM - xx on Jun 11, 2011 6:05:54 GMT -5
Yeah they were still good points but....  |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jun 11, 2011 12:46:51 GMT -5
Quiet you, PR and I are stroking our egos and we must do so in silence with NO EYE CONTACT.
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Post by xx - former Devils GM - xx on Jun 11, 2011 13:40:00 GMT -5
Hehehe |
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