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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Oct 10, 2012 10:13:15 GMT -5
To Tampa Bay LW Mason Raymond 3.0 1-way UFA 2017 G Jonathan Quick 3.0 1-way UFA 2017 To New Jersey LW Simon Gagne $4.75M UFA 2016 G Jimmy Howard $5M UFA 2016 and the better of: 2016 Calgary Flames 2nd Round Pick 2016 Tampa Bay Lightning 2nd Round Pick Breakdown: NJ has Quick as a backup; Howard will now back up Brodeur. Simon Gagne has 16 pts on the 2nd line of a mediocre-bad team. Raymond (as per Leafs last night) has 10 on the 3rd line. Expectations are for Gagne to do better with NJ than what he did in TB. Overall: Quick>Howard Gagne>Raymond 2nd rounder is added to compensate for the slight salary increase and the perceived difference in value of Quick over Howard VS Gagne over Raymond (in essence, to balance it out). |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Oct 10, 2012 10:14:27 GMT -5
Also, "better of" means the pick that will allow NJ to select earlier in the upcoming draft.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Oct 10, 2012 12:49:05 GMT -5
Who was this surrogate-negotiated with? On paper, its terrible. NJ gains 3.75M in cap (including a 5M BACKUP goalie) to gain an additional 6 points of offense? And 6 points of offense that will be playing SECOND line, based on production patterns (meaning NJ has 4 forwards (and 3 defencemen) with more points than Gagne).
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins on Oct 10, 2012 13:37:33 GMT -5
2nd RD picks are just a waste of time now and definitly doesn't make up for cap dump that this trade is
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Oct 10, 2012 17:45:49 GMT -5
Who was this surrogate-negotiated with? On paper, its terrible. NJ gains 3.75M in cap (including a 5M BACKUP goalie) to gain an additional 6 points of offense? And 6 points of offense that will be playing SECOND line, based on production patterns (meaning NJ has 4 forwards (and 3 defencemen) with more points than Gagne). So what is 16 points on a bad team's 2nd line if he would be on the 2nd line of a top-tier team, 25? Its all relative. All games played by TB are either high-scoring wins (few) or shutout losses (many). |
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Post by Tampa Bay Lightning on Oct 10, 2012 17:47:14 GMT -5
2nd RD picks are just a waste of time now and definitly doesn't make up for cap dump that this trade is I'm glad you think so, especially considering that I'm in one of the last 4 spots, meaning its between 31-35th overall. Not any worse of a pick than a 1st rounder of the Cup champ. Nice try though. |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Oct 10, 2012 17:58:11 GMT -5
So what is 16 points on a bad team's 2nd line if he would be on the 2nd line of a top-tier team, 25? Its all relative. All games played by TB are either high-scoring wins (few) or shutout losses (many). All well and good, but why should NJ take on almost 4M in cap to add an older player to a 2nd line mix that is working well right now? And the thing about the 5M backup? Quick is a good, cheap solition for now (as backup) and for next year, when Brodeur almost certainly retires. a 2nd round pick, which according to you is a 31st overall pick, is not worth 4M in cap space. Hell, even if there was a 1st in this trade I would be skeptical. It just makes no sense to gain 4M cap, about 5 years in age. NOT TO MENTION, everyone you are sending to NJ needs renegotiated this year, whereas Quick and Raymond are locked up (CHEAP) until 2017 |
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Post by New York Rangers on Oct 10, 2012 18:06:39 GMT -5
Yeah I don't like this deal from a NJ standpoint; too much cap gained, little improvement for such a cap gain, and receiving free agent (in one year) players in return.
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Post by Dallas Stars on Oct 10, 2012 23:25:28 GMT -5
2nd round picks can turn out to be full time NHLers in this sim if you give 'em 2-3 years in the minors. They're not useless at all. But $5M for back up seems bad for NJD though. Otherwise this actually is a good deal especially since players play DRASTICALLY different on different team.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Oct 13, 2012 13:26:20 GMT -5
Rejected Finalized.
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