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Post by Columbus Blue Jackets on Sept 11, 2012 15:11:22 GMT -5
To  C Matt Stajan 5M UFA 2017 1-way NTC LW - CARL KLINGBERG - 1.25M - UFA 2016 (2way) C Blair Betts 850K UFA 2016 1-Way (IN KHL) RW Jared Boll 1M UFA 2016 2-way G - MARK DECANICH - 1.25M - 2017 (2way) To  LW - Alex Tanguay - 2.500M - UFA 2016 Need to get under cap and under the max contract limit. This deal does both while giving me fair value and giving Ottawa the players they need to hit the minimum. Will contact PR about NTC. I accept. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 11, 2012 15:13:41 GMT -5
PR has ultimate final say on this surrogate trade. The Senators needed some depth, acquire a first line centerman in the process, and a much needed goaltender.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 11, 2012 22:40:22 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Personnel Representative on Sept 11, 2012 23:22:49 GMT -5
Stajan waived.
What do other GMs think about this deal. Tanguay has 55 points (22 goals), Stajan has 43 (29 goals).,
Maybe in the future, add production for surrogate deals?
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Sept 11, 2012 23:56:16 GMT -5
Honestly, on a cap scale, it's fair. On a player for player; commodity for commodity, scale it's not. Ottawa should be adding a bit... picks... a prospect... something or things more...
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 12, 2012 6:04:05 GMT -5
I will add production in future deals.
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Post by Anaheim Ducks on Sept 12, 2012 7:35:11 GMT -5
Don't like it tbh, OTT gets a guy with less points and double the salary, and the other guys are just throw-ins to reduce # of contracts for CBJ.
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Post by Calgary Flames on Sept 12, 2012 9:23:07 GMT -5
I agree with Ducky.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 12, 2012 11:24:47 GMT -5
Disagree completely. Sens trades a guy with one year on his contract for depth that the Sens lack for a complete roster.
To Ottawa:
Stajan - 43pts in 82gp
Klingberg - 40pts in 80gp in Juniors (not a pushover prospect)
Betts - 9pts in 54gp
Boll - 11pts in 61gp
Dekanich - .856SV% in 33 gp - becomes third string goaltender.
To Columbus:
Tanguay - 55pts in 82gp
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Sept 12, 2012 11:35:08 GMT -5
In principle, I like the deal, but I'm still stuck on the 5:1 ratio here... IMO Ottawa needs add a pick and a prospect to even it up a bit since Tangs contract expires at the end of this year and he'll also be 36 this coming November in game time.
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Post by Boston Bruins on Sept 12, 2012 11:47:11 GMT -5
I think there is an easy way to think about it.
If you think Ottawa needs to add, what do they need to add? If it is a 2nd round pick, give or take, they the deal is close enough to accept. If you think they need to add a 1st or more, then that is a bit different.
If you think Columbus dominates the deal then by how much do they crush it? 55pts to 43pts is a bit of a difference but Stajan did get more goals (29 to 22) which off sets this a bit and the other added players that Ottawa NEEDS. To me that is the difference, Ottawa had a need, not only to gain cap (they were below the floor which makes the cap difference moot IMO), but they needed depth. Yes you can argue that Columbus gave up cap and got the better player but those guys that are going with them are not valued at zero (especially considering they are all 2way deals).
Anyway that is just my input. I suggest everyone look at the deal again and consider if it is over the moon unfair or that Columbus or Ottawa (depending on your view) just took advantage of the other teams' poor position and won the deal by only a little bit. If if was by a little bit, it is acceptable, if it is over the moon unfair, please explain how exactly.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Sept 12, 2012 11:48:25 GMT -5
Again, we are not concerned about if columbus is getting scammed. Only if Ottawa is. Columbus has a GM, and can make his own judgements. Ottawa does not
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Sept 12, 2012 11:49:01 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that it's unfair enough to garner Ottawa adding a prospect or 2 or a pick and a prospect.
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Sept 12, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
Again, we are not concerned about if columbus is getting scammed. Only if Ottawa is. Columbus has a GM, and can make his own judgements. Ottawa does not Well, if that's the case... then it's fine. Let Columbus take the old man for virtually a bunch of kids  lol |
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Post by Dallas Stars on Sept 12, 2012 15:11:12 GMT -5
lol betts, stajan, and boll are faaaar from kids
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Post by Columbus Blue Jackets on Sept 12, 2012 16:29:37 GMT -5
Don't like it tbh, OTT gets a guy with less points and double the salary, and the other guys are just throw-ins to reduce # of contracts for CBJ. So you consider all 4 of those guys with zero value? They do not off set the small loss of points at all? (12 point difference but I am giving him a player with 7 extra goals so that helps too) If you really think the deal is unfair then please tell us how to fix it. Your post just sounds like bitching and complaining without a solution to go by. ;D If you'll notice Edmonton actually provided a solution as to how to fix the "issue". Which by the way I'm ok with forcing OTT to give me an extra pick, obviously.  |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Sept 12, 2012 16:48:52 GMT -5
lol betts, stajan, and boll are faaaar from kids I was meaning more Klingberg and Dekanich lol |
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Post by Anaheim Ducks on Sept 12, 2012 18:07:41 GMT -5
Cbj, you're PMSing like a 14 year old.
To me, stajan and klinberg are the only useful guys in the deal. The other guys are throw-ins that i could replace via UFA, so to ME, they are worthless. That being said, would I do a stajan/klinberg deal for tanguay if I was ottawa? No i would not. A "decent" minor leaguer might not even break into the league. With 2.5M extra in cap space, i could sign an effective NHLer. Oh, and i'd get to keep a 50+ pt player for 2.5M. Taaaa daaaaa, my answer - If i was Ottawa, i would not do the deal.
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Post by Dallas Stars on Sept 12, 2012 19:50:05 GMT -5
It's not that bad of a deal to not go through. Tanguay's older and only has one year left on his deal... He might not stay in CBJ and if he does he'll likely be making Stai-an type money. I wouldn't do it I were ottawa either but it's not that bad
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Post by Boston Bruins on Sept 12, 2012 20:05:45 GMT -5
It's not that bad of a deal to not go through. Tanguay's older and only has one year left on his deal... He might not stay in CBJ and if he does he'll likely be making Stai-an type money. I wouldn't do it I were ottawa either but it's not that bad and isn't that the point of the discussion. Not whether you would do it, only if the deal is so bad it is worth rejecting. I would suggest we stay on point so that these deals don't stay here for weeks. |
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