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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 21:02:37 GMT -5
One of my pet peeves: The sign-and-trade.
Yet again, I get to be the villain here, because of the abnormally unrealistic level of sign-and-trade deals going on here. The point of a contract expiring is to allow teams a shot at players via free agency, allowing the good teams to lose talent and the weaker teams to gain them without losing assets.
What is happening, is everyone is resigning EVERYONE, and then trading them. Moral - weak stay weak, strong stay strong, FA pool is dry as a bone.
Option 1 - Keep and start enforcing the 15-game (or 1 season) NTC rule (ALL signed contracts/extensions come with 15 game NTCs). Stops sign-and-trade dead in its tracks. Unrealistic as hell, but works.
Option 2 - PR becomes much more of a bitch with contracts, and has A LOT more players simply walk to FA to test the market. We all know UFA brings in more money than extensions, but I always work under the (naive?) assumption that if you are offering an extension, you want to keep the player. So i work hard to get him signed to an extension....only to find him in a trade 4 hours later.... MUCH more realistic option, if we like realism.
Final thought: I know it "happens in the real NHL", but since NHL re-signing period this year, we have not seen 12+ players traded since being re-signed. Here, we have. It's becoming kind of ridiculous, from my perspective. Hell, about 4 players this season were LITERALLY traded within HOURS of re-signing.
I get that "good offers just came in - I had to take it" but if you like the rest of the league so much better then your player, DON'T RE-SIGN HIM.
Once again, let the PR- hate begin.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jul 20, 2011 21:07:17 GMT -5
No, you're right, it's about the realism factor and you've tried to make people happy by doing these extensions, unfortunately, and I'm included in this, people make different decisions every five minutes on sim sites. It's kind of also the reason why sim sites are awesome - their unrealistic reactions on behalf of gms is what makes it so entertaining.
That said, there does need to be a line and people need to understand that yes, sometimes players DO walk.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jul 20, 2011 21:08:28 GMT -5
I vote option C, where the players that want to stay SIGN and the players that don't want to stay WALK. GMs will then do what they feel is necessary based on the situation of the player and the team. Accept, adapt, progress.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 21:14:41 GMT -5
I vote option C, where the players that want to stay SIGN and the players that don't want to stay WALK. GMs will then do what they feel is necessary based on the situation of the player and the team. Accept, adapt, progress. This is option 2. |
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Post by Winnipeg Jets on Jul 20, 2011 21:16:47 GMT -5
I vote option C, where the players that want to stay SIGN and the players that don't want to stay WALK. GMs will then do what they feel is necessary based on the situation of the player and the team. Accept, adapt, progress. Agreed. |
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Post by Dallas Stars on Jul 20, 2011 21:18:16 GMT -5
Where's the 3rd option to keep things the same?  |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 21:23:13 GMT -5
Option 1 IS how things are, Stars. That is the rule as it is written now and since before the league opened.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Jul 20, 2011 21:42:04 GMT -5
If this were a video game, option 2 is essentially to "increase difficulty".
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 21:46:14 GMT -5
Yes. As I said, a shit load harder. Cause right now, if you send me an extension, you WILL sign the guy. Unless you pay him A SHIT LOAD less than what any rational ape would pay him, he is essentially yours.
If this goes through, you will have to actually try, rather than simply submitting half-assed PMs and re-signing everyone.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 20, 2011 22:22:58 GMT -5
I never trade my players who do and don't have NTC or NMC.Mainly because I like them but I think GM's here are abusing the NTC/NMC and they trade like there is no tomorrow ,Nothing wrong with trading but some people trade so much its mind boggling. I Like Option one and two but one is winning right now for me still have not decided.PR how much are you gonna increase the bitch meter by ? I think you should have a different agenda towards each GM , take it easy on GM's like me who don't commit the sign and Trade and who don't abuse the NTC/NMC's it's fair there's no reason We have to pay for other GM's mistakes. I'll vote in favor of option 2 if you do |
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Post by Florida Panthers on Jul 20, 2011 22:35:55 GMT -5
All I can say is way to many guys have been signed, when I made up the free agent list, I was astonished how many guys were set to become UFA, and A LOT of talent was there. Now that FA is about to open, the free agents all suck so badly, far too many players were signed, meaning FA will take no time and will be boring. I'm all for seeing more guys hit free agency, even if its to see what they attention they can draw.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 22:40:12 GMT -5
.PR how much are you gonna increase the bitch meter by ? I think you should have a different agenda towards each GM , take it easy on GM's like me who don't commit the sign and Trade and who don't abuse the NTC/NMC's it's fair there's no reason We have to pay for other GM's mistakes. I'll vote in favor of option 2 if you do By just the right amount. GMs can still get their guys back off UFA. they just have to compete with other offers. And although I can;t keep track of every bad team, some GMs stand out and regardless of this poll, would be having a bitch of a time re-signing ANYONE come next season (LEAFS). |
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 22:41:51 GMT -5
All I can say is way to many guys have been signed, when I made up the free agent list, I was astonished how many guys were set to become UFA, and A LOT of talent was there. Now that FA is about to open, the free agents all suck so badly, far too many players were signed, meaning FA will take no time and will be boring. I'm all for seeing more guys hit free agency, even if its to see what they attention they can draw. I agree, and I apologize to you all. I realized this way too late in extensions (about 66% of the way through). Couldn't just start getting picky with the late teams, or the teams that were on vacation. |
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jul 20, 2011 22:42:32 GMT -5
Easily option 2. Sign and trade are not common but it definitely happen.
Only NTC clause you should kick in is if a RFA signs an offersheet he has a NTC for the first year of his deal. If the team matches or not, I believe.
Note on option 2, the Pr doesn't need to be a hardass on all general managers, each team should have a reputation. Some make ridiculous deals every other week, some might make one or two. Players are likely aware of which GM does what.
But, yes, #2, for sure.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 22:46:22 GMT -5
, each team should have a reputation. Some make ridiculous deals every other week, some might make one or two. Players are likely aware of which GM does what. . I would love to say I am able to keep track of bad GMs for this, but I don't see every single trade. I see a lot, but not all. Leafs is BRUTAL at the sign and trade, cause he has sim league A.D.D. But I haven;t noticed much of a pattern beyond that cause a) I work so much out of my inbox, and b) i get busy, caught up in stuff, and also have ADD. I will definitely try my best, obviously, but that being said, if you are a great GM, but have a deep team, a guy might opt for UFA to see if he can get a bigger role on another team now moreso than I have done in the past. (Again, something I should have been doing but the whole benefit of the doubt on extensions thinger) |
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Post by Nashville Predators on Jul 20, 2011 22:50:06 GMT -5
For sure, we can't expect you to keep track of every team, but you have a general idea what goes down with the GMs.
Agreed on the 2nd part, if a player is stuck behind 2/3+ on the depth chart and is ready for a bigger role he should be reluctant to sign.
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 20, 2011 22:51:29 GMT -5
PR you have a sim league Addiction too lol I think everyone has a sim site addiction to a certain extent
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 22:52:56 GMT -5
Now the next step is for YOU (the arbitration committee) to remember you told me this, so when a guy doesn't want to sign a 4 year, 0.65M contract, you don't stuff him in the minors when he is ready for 2nd line mins.
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Post by Personnel Representative on Jul 20, 2011 22:57:41 GMT -5
PR you have a sim league Addiction too lol I think everyone has a sim site addiction to a certain extent ADD is not an addiction. |
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Post by Vancouver Canucks on Jul 20, 2011 23:01:51 GMT -5
PR you have a sim league Addiction too lol I think everyone has a sim site addiction to a certain extent ADD is not an addiction. I knew that I was just randomly bringing it up ;D |
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